I put the Question to Demis Hassabis at his Twitter @demishassabis
Hi Demis it's a bit difficult to get a direct Question & Answer to you So I will try this...what do you think about... AlphaZero (Chess) Copied! The A.R.B Chess System A.R.B
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A.R.B
The A.R.B Chess System...
Official Site https://www.youtube.com/user/COMPUTERSTOPBUILD/videos
https://chessprogramming.wikispaces....B+Chess+System
An opening system developed by Anthony.R.Brown more than 35 years ago (1983) (as of 2018) as a response to the growing strength of Chess engines
The apparently passive system gives the programs a FALSE! initial space advantage by allowing them to push center pawns Etc.
(In 1983, the first chess microcomputer beat a master in tournament play. BELLE became the first chess computer to attain a master's rating when, in October, 1983, its USCF rating was 2203)
The A.R.B Chess System is the First & Only Chess System in the History of Chess to play (6)
Pawns first in the Opening before any Main Pieces are played
Whether playing White or Black...
The Six Pawns for White or Black (Reversed) are Moved forward by one rank only,
Except if there is a Need to Block a Check or Stop a Piece being Captured Etc.
The Move Order is One of the Most important things concerning how the First Six Pawns are Played!
Below Playing for White is how the System plays the first Six Pawn Moves in Move Order Preference...
1. e3 (Most Moves!) 2. d3 (Most Moves!) 3. h3 (Most Moves!) 4. a3 (Most Moves!)
5. g3 (Most Moves!) 6. (Most Moves!) b3
And Below Playing for Black is how the System plays the first Six Pawn Moves in Move Order Preference...
1. (Most Moves!) e6 2. (Most Moves!) d6 3. (Most Moves!) h6 4. (Most Moves!) a6
5. (Most Moves!) g6 6. (Most Moves!) b6
Other strategies are characterized by closing the center, no or delayed castling , and provoking other early pawn advances by the programs,
yielding in long term weaknesses.
AlphaZero (Chess) 1st, 2nd & 3rd Copied! references.
A.R.B
Anthony.R.Brown (2018)
Pawn-structures: Why pawns are the soul of chess...
https://chessfox.com/pawn-structures...soul-of-chess/
What is the importance of pawns in the endgame ?...
https://chess.stackexchange.com/ques...in-the-endgame
Below is a Very interesting game!,where The A.R.B Chess System is played (1st 6 Pawns Only) for both sides White & Black.
Using Stockfish 8 played at "180 Seconds Each Per Move" with Ponder & TB's off!
The interest is how Stockfish plays the Pawn structure for both sides as the game progresses,even though Stockfish is not able to play (T.A.R.B.C.S),
Once the (1st 6 Pawns) for both sides have been played.
What is very intersting is that Stockfish Castles on opposite sides in a symmetrical Pawn formation,with both sides having 1(4) & 1(3) Pawn islands.
(T.A.R.B.C.S) Pawn formation shows how hard it is for Stockfish to find a Win for either side!
[Event "The A.R.B Chess System SF8 v SF8"]
[Date "2018.01.23"]
[Origin "Great Britain"]
[White "Stockfish 8 Chess Program"]
[White-Elo "3390+"]
[Black "Stockfish 8 Chess Program"]
[Black-Elo "3390+"]
[Opening "The A.R.B Chess System (1st 6 Pawns Only) W&B"]
[Time "180 Seconds Each Per Move"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
1. e3 e6 2. d3 d6 3. h3 h6 4. a3 a6 5. g3 g6 6. b3 b6 7. Bb2 e5 8. Bg2 Ra7
9. d4 Nd7 10. Nc3 Ngf6 11. g4 exd4 12. Qxd4 Bg7 13. Nge2 O-O 14. O-O-O Re8
15. Qf4 Nc5 16. Nd4 Bb7 17. Bxb7 Rxb7 18. f3 Ne6 19. Nxe6 Rxe6 20. e4 b5
21. Ne2 Nd7 22. Qd2 Qg5 23. f4 Qc5 24. e5 Re7 25. exd6 Re6 26. Bxg7 Kxg7
27. Qc3+ Qxc3 28. Nxc3 cxd6 29. Kb2 Nb6 30. f5 gxf5 31. gxf5 Re3 32. Na2 d5
33. Nb4 a5 34. Nxd5 Nxd5 35. Rxd5 Kf6 36. Rd6+ Kg5 37. Rg1+ Kh5 38. f6 Re5
39. b4 axb4 40. axb4 Rg5 41. Rf1 Rc7 42. c3 Rc8 43. Rb6 Kg6 44. Rf3 Re8 45.
h4 Rd5 46. Kb3 Re1 47. Rb8 Rb1+ 48. Kc2 Ra1 49. Rf4 Rh1 50. Rf2 Kh5 51. Rg8
Re5 52. Rf8 Ra1 53. Kb3 Ra7 54. Rc8 Kxh4 55. Rc5 Rg5 56. Rh2+ Kg4 57. Rxh6
Rxc5 58. bxc5 Kg5 59. Rh7 Kg6 60. Rh8 Kxf6 61. Rh6+ Ke7 62. Kb4 Kd7 63.
Kxb5 Rb7+ 64. Kc4 Rb1 65. Rf6 Rc1 66. Rxf7+ Kc6 67. Rf6+ Kc7 68. Rd6 Ra1
69. Rb6 Rc1 70. Ra6 Rg1 71. Ra8 Kc6 72. Rc8+ Kb7 73. Rf8 Rc1 74. Rf4 Kc6
75. Re4 Ra1 76. Re6+ Kc7 77. Rg6 Rc1 78. Rg5 Rh1 79. Rg7+ Kc6 80. Rg6+ Kc7
81. c6 Kb6 82. c7+ Kxc7 83. Kc5 Rh5+ 84. Kb4 Rh1 85. Kc4 Ra1 86. Kb5 Rc1
87. Rg7+ Kc8 88. c4 Re1 89. c5 Re6 90. Rg1 Rh6 91. Rg8+ Kb7 92. Rg7+ Kc8
93. Ra7 Re6 94. Rh7 Rg6 95. Rh8+ Kb7 96. Rh5 Kc7 97. Re5 Kb7 98. Re1 Kc7
99. Re7+ Kc8 100. Rf7 Re6 101. Ka4 Kd8 102. Ra7 Rh6 103. Kb5 Kc8 104. Kc4
Re6 105. Rf7 Rc6 106. Kb4 Rh6 107. Ka5 Rc6 108. Rf8+ Kb7 109. Rf5 Kc7 110.
Kb5 Re6 111. Rf4 Rg6 112. Rf8 Kb7 113. Rf5 Kc7 114. Rf1 Kd7 115. Rb1 Kc7
116. Rd1 Rc6 117. Rc1 Re6 118. Ra1 Rf6 119. Rg1 Kb7 120. Rg7+ Kb8 121. Kc4
Kc8 122. Kd5 Ra6 123. Kd4 Rf6 124. Rh7 Rc6 125. Rh8+ Kc7 126. Rh7+ Kc8 127.
Rh1 Kc7 128. Rh7+ Kc8 {3-fold repetition 1/2-1/2} *
[Event "The A.R.B Chess System SF8 v SF8"]
[Date "2018.01.23"]
[Origin "Great Britain"]
[White "Stockfish 8 Chess Program"]
[White-Elo "3390+"]
[Black "Stockfish 8 Chess Program"]
[Black-Elo "3390+"]
[Opening "The A.R.B Chess System (1st 6 Pawns Only) W&B"]
[Time "180 Seconds Each Per Move"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
1. e3 e6 2. d3 d6 3. h3 h6 4. a3 a6 5. g3 g6 6. b3 b6 7. Bb2 e5 8. Bg2 Ra7
9. d4 Nd7 10. Nc3 Ngf6 11. g4 exd4 12. Qxd4 Bg7 13. Nge2 O-O 14. O-O-O Re8
15. Qf4 Nc5 16. Nd4 Bb7 17. Bxb7 Rxb7 18. f3 Ne6 19. Nxe6 Rxe6 20. e4 b5
21. Ne2 Nd7 22. Qd2 Qg5 23. f4 Qc5 24. e5 Re7 25. exd6 Re6 26. Bxg7 Kxg7
27. Qc3+ Qxc3 28. Nxc3 cxd6 29. Kb2 Nb6 30. f5 gxf5 31. gxf5 Re3 32. Na2 d5
33. Nb4 a5 34. Nxd5 Nxd5 35. Rxd5 Kf6 36. Rd6+ Kg5 37. Rg1+ Kh5 38. f6 Re5
39. b4 axb4 40. axb4 Rg5 41. Rf1 Rc7 42. c3 Rc8 43. Rb6 Kg6 44. Rf3 Re8 45.
h4 Rd5 46. Kb3 Re1 47. Rb8 Rb1+ 48. Kc2 Ra1 49. Rf4 Rh1 50. Rf2 Kh5 51. Rg8
Re5 52. Rf8 Ra1 53. Kb3 Ra7 54. Rc8 Kxh4 55. Rc5 Rg5 56. Rh2+ Kg4 57. Rxh6
Rxc5 58. bxc5 Kg5 59. Rh7 Kg6 60. Rh8 Kxf6 61. Rh6+ Ke7 62. Kb4 Kd7 63.
Kxb5 Rb7+ 64. Kc4 Rb1 65. Rf6 Rc1 66. Rxf7+ Kc6 67. Rf6+ Kc7 68. Rd6 Ra1
69. Rb6 Rc1 70. Ra6 Rg1 71. Ra8 Kc6 72. Rc8+ Kb7 73. Rf8 Rc1 74. Rf4 Kc6
75. Re4 Ra1 76. Re6+ Kc7 77. Rg6 Rc1 78. Rg5 Rh1 79. Rg7+ Kc6 80. Rg6+ Kc7
81. c6 Kb6 82. c7+ Kxc7 83. Kc5 Rh5+ 84. Kb4 Rh1 85. Kc4 Ra1 86. Kb5 Rc1
87. Rg7+ Kc8 88. c4 Re1 89. c5 Re6 90. Rg1 Rh6 91. Rg8+ Kb7 92. Rg7+ Kc8
93. Ra7 Re6 94. Rh7 Rg6 95. Rh8+ Kb7 96. Rh5 Kc7 97. Re5 Kb7 98. Re1 Kc7
99. Re7+ Kc8 100. Rf7 Re6 101. Ka4 Kd8 102. Ra7 Rh6 103. Kb5 Kc8 104. Kc4
Re6 105. Rf7 Rc6 106. Kb4 Rh6 107. Ka5 Rc6 108. Rf8+ Kb7 109. Rf5 Kc7 110.
Kb5 Re6 111. Rf4 Rg6 112. Rf8 Kb7 113. Rf5 Kc7 114. Rf1 Kd7 115. Rb1 Kc7
116. Rd1 Rc6 117. Rc1 Re6 118. Ra1 Rf6 119. Rg1 Kb7 120. Rg7+ Kb8 121. Kc4
Kc8 122. Kd5 Ra6 123. Kd4 Rf6 124. Rh7 Rc6 125. Rh8+ Kc7 126. Rh7+ Kc8 127.
Rh1 Kc7 128. Rh7+ Kc8 {3-fold repetition 1/2-1/2} *
rn1qk2r/1bp1npb1/pp1pp2p/6p1/2NPPB2/2PB1N2/PP3PPP/R2QR1K1 w kq - 0 11
Move (10) Black plays … g5 with a Score of -0.90 For Black
The Position above is the Start of {"Stockfish 8 Plays ? The A.R.B Chess System"}
All Whites moves from Move (1) to Move (10) are played by Stockfish 8
All Whites & Blacks moves from Move (11) to Move (138) are played by Stockfish 8
Even though Stockfish 8 is Not! able to play (T.A.R.B.C.S) Correct It’s interesting to see how it Calculates the difficulty of the Closed position, as it’s unable to find a way to Break through and find a Win for Black,where as (T.A.R.B.C.S) understands the position is about opening up certain lines leading to a (Long Term Strategic) Mating of Whites King!
[Event "Stockfish 8 Plays ? The A.R.B Chess System-Short"]
[Date "2017.03.01"]
[Origin "Great Britain"]
[White "Stockfish 8 Chess Program"]
[White-Elo "3390+"]
[Black "Stockfish 8 Chess Program"]
[Black-Elo "3390+"]
[Opening "The A.R.B Chess System - To Move (10)"]
[Time "180 Seconds Each Per Move"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
1. e4 e6 2. d4 d6 3. Bd3 h6 4. Nf3 a6 5. O-O g6 6. Nbd2 b6 7. c3 Bg7 8. Re1
Bb7 9. Nc4 Ne7 10. Bf4 g5 11. Bg3 Ng6 12. d5 e5 13. Nfd2 Nd7 14. Ne3 Bc8
15. f3 Nf6 16. Bf2 h5 17. Bc2 Kf8 18. Rf1 Bd7 19. a4 a5 20. c4 Qc8 21. Qe1
h4 22. Ra3 Bh6 23. Kh1 Rh7 24. Bd1 Nf4 25. Rg1 N6h5 26. Bc2 Bg7 27. Ndf1
Nf6 28. Qd2 N6h5 29. Nf5 Bxf5 30. exf5 Rh8 31. Be4 Qa6 32. b3 Qc8 33. h3
Qd7 34. Ne3 Ke7 35. Qe1 Ra6 36. Bb1 Bf6 37. Kh2 Bg7 38. Rf1 Bf6 39. Ra2
Rha8 40. Ng4 Bg7 41. Be4 Kd8 42. Rc2 Kc8 43. Rg1 Kb7 44. Qd2 Nf6 45. Ra1
Qd8 46. Nxf6 Bxf6 47. Rca2 Kb8 48. Kg1 Kb7 49. Rc2 Kb8 50. Be3 R6a7 51. Re1
Rb7 52. Rb2 Rba7 53. Kh2 Kc8 54. Rbb1 Kb7 55. Kg1 Qd7 56. Bf2 Ra6 57. Red1
Nh5 58. Rb2 Nf4 59. Qc2 Qd8 60. Ra2 Kc8 61. Qd2 Kd7 62. Re1 Ke7 63. Qe3 Qd7
64. Rb2 Kd8 65. Kh2 Ke8 66. Rd1 Ke7 67. Rbd2 Kf8 68. Kg1 Kg7 69. Re1 Rh8
70. Rc1 Re8 71. Rdc2 Raa8 72. Re1 Rh8 73. Rb2 Qc8 74. Rd2 Re8 75. Rc2 Qb7
76. Rec1 Kh7 77. Rd2 Nh5 78. Qd3 Nf4 79. Qb1 Rg8 80. Qb2 Qc8 81. Be3 Nh5
82. Qc2 Ng3 83. Bd3 Kg7 84. Re1 Nh5 85. Be4 Ng3 86. Rdd1 Rh8 87. Ra1 Kf8
88. Bf2 Nh5 89. Reb1 Kg7 90. Qd2 Nf4 91. b4 axb4 92. Rxb4 Kf8 93. Ra3 Qd7
94. Be3 Nh5 95. Kh2 Ng3 96. Qd3 Kg7 97. Bf2 Nh5 98. Qd2 Rhc8 99. Kg1 Kg8
100. Be3 Qd8 101. Rb1 Ng3 102. Rb5 Nh5 103. Bf2 Qd7 104. Rb4 Rcb8 105. Be3
Qe7 106. Qe1 Ra5 107. Bf2 Rba8 108. Kh2 Qd7 109. Bc2 e4 110. fxe4 Be5+ 111.
Kg1 Qe7 112. Qd1 Ng3 113. Be3 Qf6 114. Rd3 Kf8 115. Qg4 Bf4 116. Bxf4 gxf4
117. Rb1 Re8 118. Re1 Rxe4 119. Rxe4 Nxe4 120. Qxf4 Ng3 121. Kf2 c5 122.
Rd1 Ra8 123. Rd3 Re8 124. Re3 Nh5 125. Rxe8+ Kxe8 126. Qf3 Ng3 127. Qe3+
Kd7 128. Kf3 Kd8 129. Bd3 Kd7 130. Be4 Nf1 131. Qe1 Ng3 132. Bd3 Nxf5 133.
Qd2 Nh6+ 134. Qf4 Qc3 135. Qe3 Qf6+ 136. Qf4 Qc3 137. Qe3 Qf6+ 138. Qf4
{3-fold repetition} 1/2-1/2
[Event "Stockfish 8 Plays ? The A.R.B Chess System-Short"]
[Date "2017.03.01"]
[Origin "Great Britain"]
[White "Stockfish 8 Chess Program"]
[White-Elo "3390+"]
[Black "Stockfish 8 Chess Program"]
[Black-Elo "3390+"]
[Opening "The A.R.B Chess System - To Move (10)"]
[Time "180 Seconds Each Per Move"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
1. e4 e6 2. d4 d6 3. Bd3 h6 4. Nf3 a6 5. O-O g6 6. Nbd2 b6 7. c3 Bg7 8. Re1
Bb7 9. Nc4 Ne7 10. Bf4 g5 11. Bg3 Ng6 12. d5 e5 13. Nfd2 Nd7 14. Ne3 Bc8
15. f3 Nf6 16. Bf2 h5 17. Bc2 Kf8 18. Rf1 Bd7 19. a4 a5 20. c4 Qc8 21. Qe1
h4 22. Ra3 Bh6 23. Kh1 Rh7 24. Bd1 Nf4 25. Rg1 N6h5 26. Bc2 Bg7 27. Ndf1
Nf6 28. Qd2 N6h5 29. Nf5 Bxf5 30. exf5 Rh8 31. Be4 Qa6 32. b3 Qc8 33. h3
Qd7 34. Ne3 Ke7 35. Qe1 Ra6 36. Bb1 Bf6 37. Kh2 Bg7 38. Rf1 Bf6 39. Ra2
Rha8 40. Ng4 Bg7 41. Be4 Kd8 42. Rc2 Kc8 43. Rg1 Kb7 44. Qd2 Nf6 45. Ra1
Qd8 46. Nxf6 Bxf6 47. Rca2 Kb8 48. Kg1 Kb7 49. Rc2 Kb8 50. Be3 R6a7 51. Re1
Rb7 52. Rb2 Rba7 53. Kh2 Kc8 54. Rbb1 Kb7 55. Kg1 Qd7 56. Bf2 Ra6 57. Red1
Nh5 58. Rb2 Nf4 59. Qc2 Qd8 60. Ra2 Kc8 61. Qd2 Kd7 62. Re1 Ke7 63. Qe3 Qd7
64. Rb2 Kd8 65. Kh2 Ke8 66. Rd1 Ke7 67. Rbd2 Kf8 68. Kg1 Kg7 69. Re1 Rh8
70. Rc1 Re8 71. Rdc2 Raa8 72. Re1 Rh8 73. Rb2 Qc8 74. Rd2 Re8 75. Rc2 Qb7
76. Rec1 Kh7 77. Rd2 Nh5 78. Qd3 Nf4 79. Qb1 Rg8 80. Qb2 Qc8 81. Be3 Nh5
82. Qc2 Ng3 83. Bd3 Kg7 84. Re1 Nh5 85. Be4 Ng3 86. Rdd1 Rh8 87. Ra1 Kf8
88. Bf2 Nh5 89. Reb1 Kg7 90. Qd2 Nf4 91. b4 axb4 92. Rxb4 Kf8 93. Ra3 Qd7
94. Be3 Nh5 95. Kh2 Ng3 96. Qd3 Kg7 97. Bf2 Nh5 98. Qd2 Rhc8 99. Kg1 Kg8
100. Be3 Qd8 101. Rb1 Ng3 102. Rb5 Nh5 103. Bf2 Qd7 104. Rb4 Rcb8 105. Be3
Qe7 106. Qe1 Ra5 107. Bf2 Rba8 108. Kh2 Qd7 109. Bc2 e4 110. fxe4 Be5+ 111.
Kg1 Qe7 112. Qd1 Ng3 113. Be3 Qf6 114. Rd3 Kf8 115. Qg4 Bf4 116. Bxf4 gxf4
117. Rb1 Re8 118. Re1 Rxe4 119. Rxe4 Nxe4 120. Qxf4 Ng3 121. Kf2 c5 122.
Rd1 Ra8 123. Rd3 Re8 124. Re3 Nh5 125. Rxe8+ Kxe8 126. Qf3 Ng3 127. Qe3+
Kd7 128. Kf3 Kd8 129. Bd3 Kd7 130. Be4 Nf1 131. Qe1 Ng3 132. Bd3 Nxf5 133.
Qd2 Nh6+ 134. Qf4 Qc3 135. Qe3 Qf6+ 136. Qf4 Qc3 137. Qe3 Qf6+ 138. Qf4
{3-fold repetition} 1/2-1/2
Stockfish 8 Plays ? The A.R.B Chess System
A.R.B
Does this kind of defensive system still really work? I'm quite surprised... It was already hard few years ago.
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Yes! of course it does! But you have to learn and understand everything!,you can't just play the first Six Pawns and then expect to know how to play the complete System!
I had one of my games fully Checked as in (Not played by 2 Computers!) published with one of the Biggest Chess periodicals below...
The A.R.B Chess System - 1st Officially Published Game - New In Chess Yearbook 115
A.R.B
Would it work in correspondence chess as well (I mean against the strongest players) according to you?
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Hi now is the bit you will find hard to understand!
The A.R.B Chess System is only for beating Chess Engines rated (3000)+ ELO
The reason for this is because the System relies on the Engines playing the absolute Best moves!
Weaker Chess Engines just like weaker Humans can give the System problems,because they will trade off important Pawns etc. without really knowing Why? as it's not based on (Long Term Positional Reasons) or the ability to Calculate far enough for Positional reasons from a Chess Engine point of View! ?.
The System can be played by Humans against other Humans ? as it still gives a Human more of a Fighting chance!,because your opponent will be out of Book after the first (2) moves each! but! ? the Human may not want to Close the Centre or Over Advance important Pawns for long term positional weaknesses ?
The Video below explains the Best Main Ideas on how the System works!...
All Chess Engines Make The Same Mistakes! - The A.R.B Chess System
Ok, I think I get it. But I guess that the very best chess engines could vary their moves in closed positions (or be able to avoid it) or they will be able if their authors realize they should implement it... I wonder how AlphaZero would play against this system
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Hi Yes! the Engines play different moves because they are programmed differently! ? (But most are now Copying Stockfish Open Source Code in some way or another)
But even though they do play different moves,they are still making the same mistakes as shown in the (All Chess Engines Make The Same Mistakes!) above.
As far as AlphaZero (Chess) goes I see it as a System that is Very good at altering it's inbuilt Algorithms according to it's learning experience! so really it's like have a built in (Opening Book) (Middle game) and (Endgame) learning Data block areas! so in a way it Cheats! Well definitely regarding the built in (Opening Book) because they are supposed to be banned in Engines used in Chess Engine competitions!
Below is a selection of different Engines all trying to Outplay the System! some Older and the last Stockfish 8
Stockfish 8 Chess Program Crushed!! - Using The A.R.B Chess System
Stockfish 6 Chess Program Crushed!! - Using The A.R.B Chess System
The A.R.B Chess System v Stockfish 5 Chess Program CRUSHED!! Round 2
Stockfish 5 Chess Program DRAWS! Round 1 v The A.R.B Chess System
Komodo Chess Program Crushed!! 2 - Using The A.R.B Chess System
Komodo Chess Program Crushed!! - Using The A.R.B Chess System
Houdini Chess Program Crushed!! - Using The A.R.B Chess System
Hmm hmm, that gives matter to think, indeed. What kind of knowledge is a "book"... not so easy to say. Nice & interesting games anyway!
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